That wound is the entry wound , quartered toward me . Bottom Line: Our choice for the accuracy-obsessed, or as obsessive about accuracy as one can be when shooting slugs from a smoothbore. Jul 18, 2011 #8 . For shotguns gauge is the diameter of the bore. C0untZer0, Jul 18, 2011. Recovered Bullet. Figure 8.29 Intermediate range 12-gauge shotgun wound of abdomen with "petal" marks from Remington Power Piston® wad. I've tested regular 00 buck and on a hog with any kind of shield they just flatten out. However, depending on the type of barrel and slug (rifle. 3 feet - round hole, scalloped edges, stippling. . November 18, 2010 at 3:16 am. Laser Plus Sabot Slugs. Figure 8.34 Entrance wound of chest from 12-gauge slug. . The bear took about 6 steps and died. I was amazed at how little damage there was to the lungs and there was no exit wound. Generally the use of slugs is required on the (mistaken) theory that because such ammo has shorter range, it is thus safer to use. Going to try out some different sabot slugs for the 500 and would like to gather fellow Mossberg shotty owners opinion what shoots best out of your shotgun . The 12 gauge has a diameter of 18.5 mm, or .729 inches. The same methodology is true from the 4 gauge down to the 28 gauge. It's a shame we(DNR) can't come up with a better alternative than the regs. Get your 12 gauge shotgun shells today! This 12 Gauge 2-3/4' shotgun ammo from Remington is a new production and is non-corrosive. The advertised muzzle velocity ranges from 1593 ft/sec in 12 gauge to 1513 ft/sec in 20 gauge. Free shipping is available on bulk case orders of this Remington ammo from Target Sports USA. 2) Sellier & Bellot 2.75" #4 Buckshot 21-pellet. the 375 H&H magnum,no matter what bullet you use,always drops them in their tracks. in fact, and I would've been happy if not for my prior results. They kick pretty hard, move quite fast (listed at 1600 fps), and hit like a small meteor. Tweet. Twelve gauge shotguns were the most common, accounting for 69% of the cases, followed by 20 gauge (18%), .410 caliber (10%), and 16 gauge (3%). I'd expect this here from a heavy American 7.62 soft point, not a mid-range cartridge. The TKO value (using .70 caliber) is 66.12. This slug weighs barely a half ounce and has the recoil similar to that of a standard deer slug, but SCREAMS out the barrel at 2,000 fps. We shot him into his right side and he spun around and jumped all over the place until he finally landed about 15 yards . number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body." C0untZer0, Jul 18, 2011. Shot 2 deer with 12 gauge 3 inch, both pass thru, one deer dropped, 2nd went about 25 yards, both shots between 50-60 yards. Federal 12S4 wad (Brown) 1/8 inch Hard wad. Marginal abrasion, fouling, stippling. 525 grains. It will be just as effective as using a modern inline MLer with sabots. We offer fast shipping to our customers, as well as cheap prices on all of our ammunition. With suprisingly light recoil this armor piercing slug has its way with TWO car doors and still has plenty of horse power to take care of business on the other side. loder As you can see in the picture before skinning , showed nothing but a dark spot . . For both tests, I used a 12-gauge Benelli Super Black Eagle II with a 1:28-twist rifled slug barrel and 23/4-inch shells with 300-grain . Good buckshot or almost any slug, will lay em down. Ballistic Charts. Some friends and I were shooting various 12 and 20 gauge loads at some ballistic gel and found the 00 buckshot to be far more destructive and penetrate better. I shot one of them through this pair of water-soaked . Joined Mar 16, 2021 Messages 748 . 12 Gauge Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot, 25 rounds Discounts Apply ! #18. . my favorite long ago. Shooting a 12 gauge 1oz HP slug into the animal from about 15 feet away. Figure 8.30 .410 shotgun wound of chest. Even larger buckshot sizes (OOO and OO) may exit the body from a front-to-back angle. . been using them on deer since 1994 shot a lot of deer with them and the only time I didn't have an exit wound was a head on shot in the front and found the slug in the pelvis the deer didn't go any where. I guess I'm still learning about rifles. CS1027. First three inches of permanent wound cavity were completely destroyed. Upon impact the polymer carrier shatters to pieces, hurling hundreds of hard, tiny bits into the target. What about a pump action shotgun firing 12 gauge slugs or a lever action rifle firing .45-70? The fact that the rifled slug is a 0.729in diameter and the sabot slugs are .50 makes a big difference on perceived damage due simply to entrance and exit holes. No pellets were remaining in the body; however, this finding proved the person was killed with a shotgun. As this chart from Frank Barnes' Cartridges Of The World shows, while .410 slugs exit the muzzle with velocities higher than most 12 or 20-gauge slugs, they lose that velocity at a faster rate than the larger mass projectiles do. rifled soft lead HP slugs that I picked up at Wal-Mart at about $3/5-pack. We are pleased to offer our pre-fragmented 12 gauge slug. Exit wound? I want an exit wound and a blood trail if they run off. I loaded 5 rounds of each. Close range (<12 inches) may have ~1 inch diameter single hole with fouling. Temporary stretch cavity measured approximately 8.5 inches in length. The 12 gauge slug is a much bigger projectile with a lower muzzle velocity (around 1800 ft/s) but higher engergy (around 3100 ft/lbs) due to the larger mass of the projectile. . Free Shipping on Purchases Over $200.00. This 2¾ inch load of Remington Tactical Managed Recoil 00 buckshot fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum surprised us with it's considerable penetration of 20.5 inches. They both use simple and reliable actions and fire heavy rounds that are likely to impart greater energy into the target, especially at the close ranges likely to be involved. Sabot type slugs have been popular with pinpoint accuracy. Today I tested 3 loads. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge . I have heard this slug blows right through them with little expansion, and small entrance/exit holes leading to poor blood trails and sub-par knockdown power. The issue is what it does to deer. Based on this testing, only one shotgun load is really good enough to recommend, but shotgun loads are more acceptable as a class than other ammo types - so here is a couple of options for #4 Buck you might want to look at. Test Results. and if you're going to use the "Texas heart shot . and 16.13 mm (0.635 in. Figure 8.34 Entrance wound of chest from 12-gauge slug. The LBBB is a 2 ¾-inch, 12-gauge product that launches a 465-grain (1 1/16-ounce), pure lead slug at a smart 1,600 fps. Only very rarely will one see exit . #8. Josh <>< Save Reply Josh Smith 1.9 cc COW ( LEE Scoop) Lee 7/8 oz Key Drive Slug (~370 grains) Loaded in a Lee Load ALL 1 press. Stopping power contrasts with lethality in that it pertains only to a weapon's ability to make the target cease action, regardless of whether or not death ultimately occurs. The black bear I shot here in AK when I was 15, I shot with a single 12 gauge slug at distance of about 10yards. I guess I'm too used to handgun wounds. Most deer I have shot with a 12 ga. either drop or run maybe 30 yards. A 12ga is tolerable, but HV slugs recoil much more than a magnum rifle. I'm surprised they are getting cheaper recently.. 20 gauge shoots a 1 oz slug with the same velocity as a 12 and same size. Jan 28, 2022 #217 jjohnsonElknewbie Well Known Rokslider. The 1-ounce slugs traveling at 1,600 feet per second punched giant holes through the COVID ball and created massive exit wounds. 4 feet - round hole, scalloping, satellites. I've had them use a 20 gauge. Does not include handles. Big hole and lots of energy expended in the animal. What I was testing was the performance of different loads on grouping and recoil. my favorite long ago. A static Ballistic Coefficient applied to the tipped Barnes Expander of .19 is good enough for government work. 3006 will have a much better wound channel and depending on the bullet used, good sized exit. Never saw this kind of damage on a deer from a 12 gauge slug either. From a tree . Only very rarely will one see exit . use a lead sled to sight in to protect shoulder and avoid flinch.l doc. No exit wound , no blood trail , deer was strong willed , ran about 100 yds at break neck speed . The wound of exit may vary from a large, irregular, gaping wound caused by a mass of pellets exiting to a single slitlike exit wound produced by one pellet. tornadochaser. 1. Price: $5 per five One thing to consider with 20 gauge slug rounds is that their stated velocities as published on the box are highly unlikely to be much more than . Plastic wad may be found in body if range <5-10 feet. Check out our shotgun ammo inventory to fulfill your target practice, hunting, or home defense needs. The first two shots were fired into the heart region, but did not hit the vital organs of the. Not 6mm , but Berger VLD hunting bullet never the less . Body armor won't help a suspect with this round, either. for a federal agency was able to spend some time at the Library of Congress researching medical reports on gunshot wounds and wasn't able to find many that involved slugs. The irregular abrasions around the entrance are due to fragments of the victim's finger. PDinDetroit. I'd rather keep my hearing and just get the deer to come in closer. . an accurate 12 gauge rifled slug gun at manageable ranges also does a great job. Jack Naylor. with the exit wound facing the camera. This is why I shoot a 20ga and my hat goes off to you 12ga guys. . For the money in my opinion, the copper plated 00 buck is the ticket. of kinetic energy at the muzzle. Location. For now, I'm still banking on 00 or 000 buck shot within 7 yards and 12 gauge slug rounds for 50 yards and closer. Unit Price: $84.99 Out of Stock Quantity Share | Detailed Description Lyman 12ga Sabot Slug Mould 525 grain 12 gauge Sabot slug mold to be used in conjunction with a standard target wad! But just buy some good buckshot from various makers and some 1 ounce Foster slugs and test them all out to 50 yards for the buckshot and 70 yards for the slugs.. . because they want to maximize entry and exit wounds. The 20-gauge version is loaded with ¾ ounce of lead. and I am getting sub 3" groups at 100 yards I will . I shot one of them through this pair of water-soaked . Marginal abrasion, fouling, stippling. Little to no temporary stretch cavity effects were observed. The test gun is a Remington 870 Express with an 18.5" cylinder bore (no choke) barrel. The 12 GA seems to have the advantage at 80 yards plus for stopping power. A shotgun's gauge is determined by the number of round projectiles of equal diameter that can be subdivided from one pound of lead. I have to admit, they are loaded hot for only being a 2.75″ case. The chest cavity of the bear was a total mess. A case of gunshot suicide of a 59-year-old man with a shotgun loaded with shotgun slugs is presented. . The following case study is of an Afghan civilian woman who was medically evacuated to a Forward Surgical Team in regional Afghanistan having sustained a through-and-through gunshot wound to her . . Browse 4,159 gunshot wound stock photos and images available, or search for bleeding or emt to find more great stock photos and pictures. fresh gun shot wound - gunshot wound stock pictures, royalty-free photos & images. Detailed Description DGS12 Dangerous Game Slug 12ga (25/pak) The DGS slug line has proven itself in the field and in the lab to be one of the best all-around performing slugs for a variety of shotgun and barrel combinations. Distant (>3.5 feet) → wound only. We use a . Smashing a 12 gauge slug into human flesh will certainly penetrate more than an . With suprisingly light recoil this armor piercing slug has its way with TWO car doors and still has plenty of horse power to take care of business on the other side. 3) Winchester Universal 2.75" #8 Birdshot. This system promotes clean separation of components after muzzle exit to ensure greater down-range accuracy. These are some Winchester Super-X 12 gauge 2.75″ 1 oz. Answer (1 of 11): Both are deadly enough depending on the range. I've shot cars with .308, .45, .22, and slugs from a 12 gauge. 300 ttsx 458 socom- really close to a 12 gauge slug performance to my untrained eyes When I say excellent performance good entrance and exit holes , good tissue dammage, good bone penetration/breakage, most important fast kills . Usingsuch ammo, I would opt for the 20 every time. Interestingly, the slug's copper construction proved hard enough that the entry/exit wounds weren't as substantial as you may suspect. Distant (>3.5 feet) → wound only. I've taken the liberty of adding the Taylor Knock-Out Formula values and the kinetic energy values after each wound profile so you can compare. Plenty of people survived them- but a solid hit wasn't something that could be ignored. centering the slug in the barrel. I have to admit, they are loaded hot for only being a 2.75″ case. 12ga or 20ga. I usually use my 243 Win on yotes but run what what ya brung. Temporary stretch cavity measured approximately 8.5 inches in length. ), from groove to groove. It has 2,643 ft./lbs. So 12 gauge slug can be treated as a musket shot. Federal Premium 2 3/4″ #4 Buck. Tactical® TruBall® Rifled Slug 12 Gauge. The Standard Deviation is 12.15. Nov 4, 2020. The inside of the chest cavity looked like a bomb went off in there, not a single organ that wasn't blended. A relatively small external wound can be accompanied by a larger defect in the body. Josh <>< The diameter of a 12-gauge slug, measuring from the top of one rib to the other, is 18.47 mm (0.727 in.) The Forest Service, as I understand it, arms their people with .375 H&H. . I saw one report of deer running 80-100 yards after ebing shot with this slug. I guess I'm still learning about rifles. As this chart from Frank Barnes' Cartridges Of The World shows, while .410 slugs exit the muzzle with velocities higher than most 12 or 20-gauge slugs, they lose that velocity at a faster rate than the larger mass projectiles do. For example, a full bore foster-style 12 gauge slug is approximately .72 caliber. Better yet, we can find out for ourselves what works and what does not. They filled out a very detailed report, including the internal organs/bones hit, the size of the exit wound - if any - and how far the deer ran after the shot. They are adequate for larger pigs but can still not provide an exit wound if the animal is a boar. Comparison of contact intraoral shotgun wounds revealed statistically significant differences between 12 gauge and 20 gauge wounds. Remington has been a trusted brand for years when it comes to the . NE Washington State. I guess the lack of recoil of the 7.62x39 sorta' had me fooled a bit. Posts: 777. After seeing the exit wounds on these other two calibers, we though for sure a slug would blow a large hole out the back of the dog. A buddy of mine clobbered a 4pt on Saturday with the 12ga SST slugs at 95yd. The gray marks on this bone are lead markings from shotgun pellet impacts. Wounds caused by Shotguns - Smooth Bore. Packing a 1-ounce Foster-style rifled slug, the 12-gauge load speeds along at 1,700 fps and delivers some serious energy downrange. love the buckhammer, though not strictly a sabot. The deer I shot with a challenger slug vs the Hornady SST were totally different, almost no expansion with the challenger but a big hole in and out, the SST was more like being shot by . The muzzle had been against or within a few inches of my lower left leg, as the Winchester AA wad and shot cup had stayed together and thus let it punch a smooth hole for an entry channel and then expand like a .72 caliber hollowpoint slug extremely rapidly as it burrowed into my body fat and tissues, sending well over a full ounce of #7 1/2 lead shot barreling (bad analogies and puns only get . the 375 H&H magnum,no matter what bullet you use,always drops them in their tracks. Yosef Dhawan 3 feet - round hole, scalloped edges, stippling. . Shotgun extrance wounds. The wound on the left side of the neck is the exit wound. Thinking further on the subject, it seems I remember Lyman recommending pure lead for shotgun slugs. Shotguns come in different size gauges which determine the size of its ammunition. I have not shot hogs with it but for smooth bore 12ga at 50 yards and under the Winchester super X 2 3/4 value pack of 15 slugs. With other bullets i get an exit wound and tons of blood. Participant. We use a . A 12 gauge slug weights about 1oz, and has a muzzle velocity of 1500-1600 f/s A typical Napoleonic era musket would fire a ball of about 1oz, at 1300-1800 f/s- very similar figures. Note the three equally spaced "petal" marks characteristic of the .410. is bare. I really like Rottweil® 12 Gauge 2 3/4″ 1 1/4 oz. The mouth was the most common entry site, used in 62% of cases. At the range there was nothing more accurate in my 11-87. amateurs practice till they get it right, professionals practice till they can't get it wrong Save Reply D danm223 Registered Joined May 3, 2009 3,226 Posts Its shank is wrapped in a sabot called the "Impact Discarding Sabot," or IDS . They kick pretty hard, move quite fast (listed at 1600 fps), and hit like a small meteor. Most of the 20ga sabots are pushing the same velocities as the 12, just with a lighter slug. an accurate 12 gauge rifled slug gun at manageable ranges also does a great job. The copper punches right through at normal shotgun ranges (under 40-50 yards). The exit wound from the slug was 2-3inches in diameter. 10-25-2010, 07:39 PM . The wound of entrance from a shotgun slug, whether it be a Foster . They are adequate for larger pigs but can still not provide an exit wound if the animal is a boar. These loads make a 12-ga. unnecessary. The only round that came close to perfection in dropping the deer withing 2 seconds was the 12ga slug with only one failure to stop and that was a slug that hit only the heart. The .410 slugs also deliver less foot-pounds of energy on target even at the muzzle, and again with a greater rate of loss as the range increases. A 260grn slug in the 1900-2000fps area will be devastating on game. In specific examples at close range, it has a huge impact. I have killed a bunch with 2 3/4 inch 00 buck, I prefer the 12 pellet copper plated load, I have used Remington, Federal, and Winchester ammo and couldn't tell any difference in performance, never really felt the need for the extra recoil of the 3" and of course it slows up the follow up shot if multiple pigs are present as well., .The Winchester hull stands up better to rough handling of the . The .410 slugs also deliver less foot-pounds of energy on target even at the muzzle, and again with a greater rate of loss as the range increases. The sabot went through a rib and left a pencil wound, as described above. Put him in the death spin at 402 yds, dropped in another 20 yds. He was pretty pleased with the performance. Wound Characteristics. Never saw this kind of damage on a deer from a 12 gauge slug either. Small sized birdshot such as this #8 heavy dove load is a poor choice for deployment with a tactical shotgun.Wounds inflicted from birdshot tend to be gruesome yet shallow as they lack the penetration required to reach vital cardiovascular or central nervous . Energy . 1) Sellier & Bellot 2.75" 00 Buckshot 9-pellet. I'd expect this here from a heavy American 7.62 soft point, not a mid-range cartridge. A caliber/bullet that is more likely to create a substantial entry AND exit wound is probably more likely to stop an attacker faster — for the simple fact that the attacker would bleed out . But, we were wrong. 243. This .22 Long Rifle round (that actually outpenetrates a 12 gauge slug) has a KE value of 112 . Requires Lyman Double-Cavity Mould Handles. Which ammunition cartridges have the greatest stopping . Kills as well as the 12 GA without the huge holes…especially if you hit the shoulders or hams. 4 feet - round hole, scalloping, satellites. The way the metal is torn rather than creased, I would say somebody backed into it with a piece of equipment. . Average Range . Personally, from my experiences, foster slugs are the best firearm black bear killer there is at less than 50 yards (over bait). . Wounds Due to Slugs. D. The irregular abrasions around the entrance are due to fragments of the victim's finger. This .22 Long Rifle round (that actually outpenetrates a 12 gauge slug) has a KE value of 112 . Velocity . Neck shots work great. think of it as a 1,500 MPH sandblasting. Free Shipping on Purchases Over $200.00. rifled soft lead HP slugs that I picked up at Wal-Mart at about $3/5-pack. Well after shooting my 20 ga 870 today to make sure it is shooting good before deer season it occurred to me the the recoil of these guns is ridiculous. However, if your rules prohibit such ammo, and you are stuck using the old, sorry, Foster-type slugs, I'd be forced to use a 12. Browning 20 GA w/Winchester Super-X slugs. No slug though. The 12-gauge slugs made huge holes in the COVID ball. The TKO value (using .70 caliber) is 66.12. Unlike the hourglass-shaped Hybred, the LBBB slug looks like a .73-caliber toadstool. Body armor won't help a suspect with this round, either. The mighty .45 ACP is a pop gun compared to most any deer rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun. Our lab is continually amazed at the versatility and performance of this slug. I guess the lack of recoil of the 7.62x39 sorta' had me fooled a bit. These are some Winchester Super-X 12 gauge 2.75″ 1 oz. All I can say is cast a few and try them. Shot recovered exhibited some moderate deformation. 12 gauge sabot slug caliber ranges from .50 on up. The Foster type 12 gauge rifled slug has a KE value of 2222 fpe. (High Velocity) for my Mossberg 500's with Field Barrels (20 & 12 gauge). Lightfields...the gun really . October 4, 2019 at 2:28 pm #1882723. . Wind Drift . The buck only went about 10 steps and then piled up. 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