I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. Yes theres a chance it was scripted (something I didnt include originally but will add) but since we arent sure, I included it anyway. We will be taking time to understand more about our international fans to ensure this never happens again. So many public figures coming out and vouching for Mamamoos talent and success only continues to prove their worth and value to the world. #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" Feels bad yo. document.querySelector("#ads").addEventListener('click',function(){ its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. I made an exo masterpost and since then Ive had a lot of messages from people telling me that they no longer feel that they can bias Chanyeol or Baekhyun, which is their own personal decision, and something that they chose based on information I provided. Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. Mamamoo isn't problematic. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on their controversies and I'll admit it hurt to read so many people hate on them since I was with them when they debut and immediately fell in love. I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. I dont properly feel as though I can talk about in depth because I have limited knowledge (which I probably should have specified in the post) but I didnt just pull it out of my ass, I included it because Id seen people get offended by it (though predominantly by Gain). }); My hiatus is indefinite, but its unlikely Ill be running it again any time soon. I can understand how a youtube translating team could mess up their translation, Ive seen it happen before, but as a person who doesnt know Korean I have to go off what Korean-speaking people tell me. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. However, another fan might choose not to forgive him for it, which is totally up to them, and totally understandable. Thank you~). Twitter for Android 1 Quote Tweet 8 Likes Who can reply? Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. } disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. Red Velvet too. Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. #1. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Wore a headscarf in a similar way to a hijab in, When a male fan said Saranghae (I love you) to him, he responded by going, Made the picture of Yesung in blackface his, Def Conn was talking about a trade he did with an African American regarding some Micheal Jordan shoes in which Kyuhyun retorted, Said that Kais defining feature was that his, Then proceeded to say Taos face color is dark because its green at 23:11 of the same, Assigned gummy bears to Exo-K members and, In the same interview, Kai sort of called him out on his colorism/shadism and Chanyeol said , Used a caricature app to make the Exo members and created, When Xiumin chose him as first place after being asked which exo member hed date if he were a girl, he saidIt feels pretty good to be in first place, but it is first place from the viewpoint of a male but then said a few seconds laterThis first place feels a little its a good thing! Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. ga('ads.send', { I dont really want this published but Im Korean and I just watched the SISTAR video and the translations are pretty accurate, Hyorin was trying to say how bora has all black fashion and her hair and black complexion adds on to it, and I felt that too (soyu was trying to suggest that hyorin had darker skin than bora so hyorin shouldnt talk about anyone elses skin color) so hyorin was like yeah but at least I dont wear black clothes like bora! They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). People are accusing me of purposefully portraying all the members on the list as villains and not including their apologies. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. Not saying they should be excused for the things that have hurt other peoples feelings, but I dont think causing controversy or hurt would ever really be their intention for anything. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. yeah Id probably classify myself as a pacifist, thought I understand the use of violence in self defence or sports that require violence (MMA, boxing, etc.). You need to Register or Login to view the content The group officially debuted with their single "Mr. Ambiguous" on June 18, 2014. I included links to a post explaining why Siwons alleged homophobic comment was extremely dubious and likely to be untrue, though I guess I probably shouldnt have included it at all (I assumed people would go to the link). The environment that they grew up in is much different than ours; they're surrounded by customs and norms from their own society and culture. A large section of the hate she receives is linked to the idol rarely conforming to what is typically expected of women in K-pop, particularly ones in girl groups. We are one of the worlds fastest growing Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. You need to Register or Login to view the content. And despite Hwasa's fans attempting to set the record straight through her own apologies and explanations, the hashtag continued to be used by many to troll the idol. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. 21 Jan 2023, 03:11 AM . Mamamoo has been dubbed by a lot, especially by antis as one of the most controversial groups in the history of kpop. When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. For example, Ryeowook is another suju member I really like, and I dont agree with him using a picture of Yesung in blackface as his twitter icon whatsoever, I think it was incredibly offensive and insensitive and ignorant, but its not something that has caused me to dislike him. its actually really frustrating when sources get deleted because then theres no definite way to tell exactly what somebody said. I never thought it would gain the traction that it did and I dont feel comfortable running it at the moment, Im sorry. She was singing song lyrics from Melon (a Spotify-type South Korean streaming website), lyrics that had the n-word in them. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? I dont think they take care of their bodies well, Performed with Boom, while he was donning blackface, Called N from VIXX fucking trash among many other things, sneaked into a room in which girls were sleeping and touched them, I do not wish to acknowledge homosexuals, that scenario must have looked like a drug deal., Implied negative things about Goo Hara dating around a lot, If someone had to lose weight, I would tell that person to lose weight. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. Im not really sure what else to say, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, thats fine. There are so many kids in the . Her confidence has grown through the years, due in part to her role models such as Beyonce and Rihanna, with Hwasa even saying in a now viral video Soon, I found myself promising this: If I dont fit into this generations standard of beauty, then I will have to become a different standard but prejudice based off looks has always been the sore button topic for her. But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. }) I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. They received their first music show win in 2016 with Youre The Best and have since gone on to win dozens more, ending 2019 with a combined total of 41 music show wins, making them one of the most highest winning girl groups in history. But seeing these articles faze me. i know you deemed your siwon thing heavily unreliable but even the fanvideo is wrong. We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. They debuted on June 19, 2014 with the mini album Hello . gads_event = event; I heard that this picture would drive people with OCD crazy.. Im simply complying a list of things that could be perceived as offensive or problematic so that fans can decide for themselves. And it manifested almost solely around Hwasa who since the very beginning has received the bulk of the hate. Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). The controversies surrounding Mamamoo sometimes hurt for sure, because you can tell that theyre pretty genuine in who they are without putting on too much of a show, arent out to get or hurt anyone, and are capable of realizing when they have made mistakes. Another thing referenced against Hwasa is the occasion she dressed up as a clown. Feb 22, 2023. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. ", Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? Yet we wonder why idols have to constantly showcase an "image" in order to not upset fans. We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. omg lol at everything written under heechul. when something is scripted) or it is something they did along time ago and havent done since. Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. The Radish Farm (Mamamoo Thread) This is going to be safe space for everyone who wants to talk about Mamamoo. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. As Ive said before, I dont know everything, and I try to provide sources for what I post, but Im a bit cynical and I can sometimes put too much trust into what other people say, so please, please, please call me out if you notice me spreading misinformation (it will always be appreciated) and I will update the masterpost. omg?? Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). Group. You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. As much as I have enjoyed running this blog, there are lots of aspects of it which have purely been a source of anxiety and distress for me. I know they've apologized for many of their other problems they faced but seriously, the hate is so overwhelming. They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. mamamoo has been giving neck to neck competition to redvelvet but kpop fans always considered redvelvet above them because redvelvet is a sm group but now its time to accept the truth.. Mamamoo is easily gonna out live redvelvet, mamamoo members have resigned and will continue for long meanwhile redvelvet is pretty much done after irene scandal and no news of members re-signing because they . After Wendys tragic and heartbreaking fall, immediately there were dozens upon dozens of tweets wishing Hwasa could take her place and become horribly injured. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) I was around during Queendom for the durag situation but I don't see that a large issue as one of loves Rihanna wearing them and was selling them and promoting them to all races. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. So trend they did. There are many areas where I am still ignorant and I think I have a bit of an issue with talking over people, a bad habit I really need to break. And this links back to other instances of Hwasa being called out for cultural appropriation, the most recent being her wearing what appeared to be a traditional Nigerian outfit on the MBC show 'I Live Alone'. In 2017, Mamamoo created an ending concert video for moos (their fans), where they did a parody of Bruno Mars Uptown Funk. i love exo. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? Goodbye! but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. They have been affectionately dubbed festival queens as they attend a great many every year, always ready to hype up the crowd and turn every event into a Mamamoo concert. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. Its blatantly homophobic and transphobic, like, there is no possible way you could deny that. #1,972. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. One of the latest developments in recent times, that is currently drawing attention on online communities such as Nate/Pann and Twitter is the promotional period of K-Pop groups/soloists. The sun will always shine for us. RBW then said they would work to educate themselves more on cultural sensitivity and the struggles that the black community and various other POC communities have undergone and continue to go through. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. They make a difference. 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