. For you, maybe, but not for most here. Rescuing those who have ears to hear is the best any of us can do. No more circumcision. Max: And to link them together as a Body of Christ, each one uniquely gifted to be a part of the whole something the institutional church just doesnt appear to get.Whose job is the ministry?Every believer has a part!When we separate believers into clergy vs. laity, pulpit vs. pew, us vs. them failing to equip and mobilize the saints to do the work of the ministry we miss what God intended for His Church and fall short of living in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now.Jesus talked a LOT about living in the Kingdom we would do well to read His words living in the church doesnt always mean living in the Kingdom.Based on my 70-year snapshot of the institutional church, theres a vast difference in what Christ describes vs. what we have put together in this thing we call church. Be wary of falling into the trappings you so boldly wish expose. Its a lonely place, especially when my life was steeped in church community, teaching, and deep, deep, love for Christ and His people. We should not be surprised that the battle between the false and the true rages on, and should continue to cling to the true, whatever the cost. The Chosen is an artistic retelling of biblical events and it never claims to be a replacement for Scripture nor an addition to the holy Word of God. fear of the evil, scary worldly world. ++++++++++++++++++++. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them at allit was all a grand illusion. On April 8, 2012, their desire became reality as the North Shore Campus launched its first service at the Winnetka Community House. All we get is CYA, after the fact, trying to make the best of whats already been leaked. Guys like you have no fear of God, and this is how this mess happened in the first place. Id never seen the movie and still havent, but it was some pretty shocking stuff for a guy who hadnt seen a horror movie since the 1980s. At least we can see from this that publicizing facts online does provably result in change. Indeed. . Was it released or leaked? If church leaders throughout Christendom wont take a stand to expose wayward peers and rebuke their ministry endeavors, it will be up to the pew to do this important task to inform and warn others in the Body of Christ to beware. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them after all, that in case of health problems that make one unable to serve, they are quickly forgotten, that the great majority of those friendships have a tendency to evaporate or even turn to shunning if put to the test; that it was all a grand illusion, after all the time, effort and loyalty invested. https://classroom.synonym.com/the-role-of-the-clergy-in-the-greek-orthodox-church-12087637.html. If all this was that important to the leaders they would have been apoplectic at what they witnessed from JM. This verse came to mind: For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God; and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) The business-first model that seems so pervasive and knocks down just about any scrutiny until there is videotaped evidence would seem to fit somewhere in that spectrum, no? Whether or not those offices were appropriate, church history shows they developed early and were ubiquitous. The man most likely is considering launching a new ministry and needs to be stopped in his tracks. Our staff and volunteer leaders cant wait to welcome your kids to our safe, secure, age-appropriate program. Only if this does not work are you to turn him away as a unbeliever. I dont know, Ken. Forget about the so called leaders. I personally doubt that MacDonald was ever sincere, but it is likely that many of his deceived henchmen were. i mean, do we actually believe what we say we believe? If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Our inaugural ministry in the heart of Chicago began on September 20, 2009, with a mobile campus that met for worship on Sunday nights at a school in Wicker Park. THis man should never be in a position of authority again, and even less in one of spiritual authority (whatever that may mean). In reality, if the undeniable evidence leads to the sad realization that our most beloved parent, spouse, child or pastor is not who we have believed them to be, we must be willing to deal with the facts. A person who thinks they are qualified, is someone who may need to take some time to discern whether thats true. Our goals in writing these letters were accomplished, and its unfortunate that people are making them public. I was a strong donor who loved the church and served in multiple areasI was in a good place spirituallybut I didnt meet the qualifications. What in the world is running through his mind that he wouldnt want the truth shouted from the rooftops to those whod been under Macs influence far and wide? I truly believe God provides the grace for elders to walk in the attributes in 1Tim 3, You dont have to watch a person for very long to discern whether that person is a grace filled believer or not. Notice how you need to be part of this first hand, and not from a distance like on the world wide web for even unbelievers to see. And just because there is a list of qualifications doesnt mean that men wont lie to gain access, or construct a pseudo religion to hide in. So I want to say Than. but ultimately it means people are brainwashed into being acquiescent, passive, accommodating, maintaining their silence. Please think about all the others who will fall under these cultic practices if these perpetrators and their deeds are not brought into the open. It just means there was (and is) nothing in that church resembling a true church. He makes vague remarks about how the blogs have certain things mistaken, or that their motivations are suspect but doesnt actually bother to correct them on anything specific. You think youre justified at all in bristling in obvious irritation that your letter, which is apparently the rest of the story truth about this very public figure, got out of your control and hit the public sphere? Short films include award-winning "The Ride" and. Just let go of the reins, lil woman, and submit to your God-given, masculine authorities . When I did my own looking into it I found dead ends, contradictions, and all kinds of other things that did not fit the protestant narative I was taught. The images of Christs mother Mary witnessing her sons torture, the glances and faces of the cast Mel Gibson portrayed were (and frankly still are) made to elicit deep evil and were very frightening to see, and the utter agony of Christs pain was so graphic, I still cant erase it from my memory. If a cynic like me can be taken in, naive, trusting folks are easy prey. I assure you that I do not see it as a Catholic problem, nor do I believe that all involved in the institutional church through the centuries have done so with wrong intentions. Humility is required. Someone even mentioned an anti-Christ component here, which I agree with. The lawsuit also claims that beginning in 2018, a pastor at one of Harvest's campuses began working with a "disgruntled" former Harvest worker, filmmaker Dallas Jenkins, to solicit letters. The time for half measures is over. Live with it. When I now go to a church, I want to speak with elders and listen to what they are saying and how they are behaving and whether they are willing to reveal how much the pastor is making. TS00: It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. I am beginning to feel like at best it is simply not what Jesus intended for us, as it allows to much anonymity, where the church should be a community And at worst it is laced with risks for massive abuse and corruption. Their goals are solidly biblical, and the show appears to be bearing fruit to the glory . Harvest Bible Chapel is one church meeting on six campuses. Is anonymous code for little people or pew peons? Thats really the point. What bothers me about the megas is not just the bad theology and oppression, but the sheer size. +++++++++++++++++++++. Makes me sad to think its so. Over time, the North Shore church family found they needed a place for weekday ministries. In a godly biblical hierarchy, what would flow downhill would be love and care. Its ok to admit more of you need to to completely clear the air. (GOO GOO GA JOOB!)). I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. What makes you think you get to excuse yourself from the table? Never to leave me alone! What religion is Harvest Church? He claimed he felt God "laying on his heart" that "in several years The Chosen was going to be what people thought of when they pictured the disciples." More Harvest Bible Chapel Fayetteville. We must put our unreserved trust in God alone, and to at least some degree view all men even our most trusted loved ones by their fruits. And if this instance is questionable, then all posts and claims are questionable and credibility goes out the window all because Dee knows best for everyone and will not allow discussion after making claims with no supporting evidence. Those who are truly qualified (I think) know they are so in need of Gods favor to consistently live that out and are only barely qualified by what God has already done in them to that point. I, personally, do find truth to be something to rejoice in. As usual, your comments and insight are on the money, Amy Moore. Given His choice of companionship last time He was here, your friend from that Bible study might be shocked. As our leaders prayed and sought to plant churches in the city of Chicago, a small congregation with a struggling church in Niles was looking for new life. More Events. ++++++++++++++. The word contains with it a reference to age. Funny, but I still have dreams about the former pastor. Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. I still believe that Jesus lived and the NT is reliable. Many do not seek truth, but whatever best tickles their ears. IDK what the other XLT staffers and Elders are waiting for, but they will be judged if these wolves are allowed to set up new lairs due to their silence. Being close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades. He is best known as the creator, director and co-writer of The Chosen, the first multi-season series about the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Yup, there are plenty of great sources of community *outside* of the church. Many a victim of domestic or spiritual abuse might have been better protected by understanding this reality. not violent Those extra-Biblical portions comprise 95% of what's been in the show thus far, according to Jenkins, but that and everything else is still run through a proofing process involving scholars of the Bible and people in full-time ministry to make sure it is in harmony with what's in Scripture. This campus is a close-knit family of Christ-followers who are deeply committed to living out the gospel and seeing God use their church to impact their community. Our goals in writing these letters were accomplished, and its unfortunate that people are making them public. In the history of the church, which is most seductive:money, sex, or power? And your husband whos probably going through a rough one. And I know I post too much. You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. I suppose you would doubt your own mother? I was asked. In reality, it lost about $29,000. Are we any better? Apparently, many pastors have opted to preach the gospel for the wrong reasons .. to toss out the name of Jesus now and then while they work their deception to benefit themselves. id say you are beholden to the public to explain to them with all transparency. Im of course speaking about Paul. Restore him to ministry? As another new, unforeseen door opened to bring Harvest to the Aurora area, 200 people from the Elgin Campus were sent south, opening as the Aurora Campus on January 23, 2011. Jimmy Evans, Head of Marriage Today TV & Sr Pastor and Apostle of Gateway Church, is reportedly in contact with James MacDonald. If you go here you can see them listed in the browser search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+chosen+producers+james+macdonald&t=ffsb&ia=web but when you click on the link you can see that Jenkins had the producers list altered to remove those names and place all new producers (the money) except for himself on the website. I couldnt post that letter due to my absolute disgust at the depths to which MacDonald has sunk. How does he know that? And I know that we are falling far short of appropriating the spiritual resources available to us as Christians to make a difference in this world not with what we think, but what we know. How to do church that has nothing to do with Jesus, then. Much as I seek to be gracious and forgiving, it is extremely difficult to accept these new confessions at face value. That being said, I would think there is great value in making this public: as a warning for potential future victims of James MacDonald. In 21st century church, Christians want the pulpit to tell them what the Bible says rather than spend time discovering Truth themselves. -, Im certainly not an Apostle chosen by the hand of Jesus as Paul was nor a prophet, or a son of a prophet. As Max has said, its hard to see how the institutions recover from this. He made his directing debut with the short film Clich, and his next short film, Midnight Clear, starring Stephen Baldwin, won a Crystal Heart Award from the Heartland Film Festival. Back Small Group Harvest Kids Harvest Students College Men Women Harvest Worship Disablities Prayer Care Outreach . 3/2/2023 - 9:30am-11:30am. Youre right to say kind of. Harvest needs to close because there as a beacon to the rest of the world as to what happens when talent trumps the grace of God so feeely given to us in repentance and a broken heart. One church on six campuses serving together in this purpose: to glorify God and fulfill the Great Commission! He promised never to leave me, If the elders arent spiritual men, consider another church. He is currently Director of Media at Harvest Bible Chapel in Chicago, where he directed the award-winning short film "The Ride" and is currently developing multiple feature films. Jenkins has produced many TV series and films. His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. And before any more electrons needlessly perish, an argument about the validity of the pastoral office vs elders is probably not the real issue in the HBC case. The posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments both here and on Twitter from anonymous people. This man has no shame. Jenkins says he has "great affection" for his time at Harvest, his work there, and even his time even knowing Driscoll. To me, this type of service is more authentic than so many of the others out there. husband of one wife Church history is full of documentation on Mark Driscolls misbehavings, but that bad-boy legacy didnt stop him from launching his current ministry in Arizona. I will have to wait until I get to my computer because Im on my phone and the type of the letter is too small to read. +++++++++++++++++++. but i have gained a newfound joy in being a member of the human race. After much review, prayer, and discussion before the Lord, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel released Pastor James MacDonald from his position as Senior Pastor and Elder of the church in February 2019. (which for me is the whole idea. Blaming bloggers and the media for having bad form for discussing the issues, but then admitting that they are true? elastigirl: i take no more stock in what paul thinks than i do in what i think. ++++++++++++++, so what? If a familys personal pain about a very private matter doesnt fit that category, I dont know what would. I suspect that there is a world of difference between what we see in the NT and what we experience in our day, even in groups that try to adhere to the so-called Biblical model. In the face of authoritarian church leaders who excommunicate, run off or demonize anyone who dares to challenge their false authority and/or iniquity, blogs have filled the void of public accountability. The setup of elder rule is, in effect, completely unaccountable rule-by-crony. If for no other reasons, the statements must be public so that the people of HBC see what their Elders saw. Craig French: Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. The price has been paid, sin and death vanquished, and all may come to the Son for meat and drink with no money and no payment. It's God who opens doors, but we must walk through them. Vincent: It seems that this website is a place where nobodys can act in Gods place as judge and jury. I am there; have been close to 8-years now. I certainly have my doubts that Paul would be rejoicing over the likes of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and countless others who have taken advantage of the Body of Christ over the last 2,000 years. Thats it right there. While I might be willing to grant that many elders/leaders probably start out with relatively good intentions, I suspect that the genuinely evil wolves (yes, I count MacDonald and Hybels as wolves, not fallen shepherds) are pretty good at picking out those who are most vulnerable to deception and temptation. And I doubt it was simply losing their job, as many of them voluntarily left. (Many self-claimed Reformed do not really know or embrace the God their theology demands, so its not an issue.) If people develop So theyll speak of doin church together, or kingdom life, or some such nonsense. 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